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Do you support a fairer society? (2 Viewers)

Do you support a fairer society?

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Sathius005

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Do you support a fairer society?
Australia has been through its biggest mining boom ever. Mining profits have increased by 400 per cent over the past decade. Mining taxes have been reduced from 40 per cent to 14 per cent. Gina Rinehart, world’s richest woman has net wealth of $29 billion. The rich have got fabulously richer, while 3 million Australians are living below the poverty line. There is growing expectations that Tony Abbott is going to cut the pension, similar to David Cameron, British PM in order to give tax cuts to the mega rich. The poor are becoming poorer. It’s time to tax the rich. The Australian Labor party is campaigning for a fairer society which gives dignity and a sense of closure to those living in poverty. I am asking for your support. It’s time for us as Australians to unite and write a new page in our nations history. The fair go must be shinning forward providing hope, reward and opportunity for all. It's time to show compassion to disadvantaged members of Australian society. It is time to increase the pension. I call Australians one and all to support the mining tax and a wealth tax.
 
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the poverty line is a relative measure and not indicative of living standards.


living below the poverty line means nothing in terms of being impoverished as compared to global or historical standards
 
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poverty in australia: living in a 2 bedroom house with a flat screen and internet access while getting fat on eating too much food. such poverty.
 

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poverty in australia: living in a 2 bedroom house with a flat screen and internet access while getting fat on eating too much food. such poverty.
Well, I guess it's not about those people. Not all of the people live like it, and the fact that you don't see them does not change the fact.
 

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Every new neighbourhood must have a market garden where residents can grow their own organic food and trade surplus with their neighbours. This would allow people to avoid paying high prices for poor quality food at the supermarket, look out for each other's crops, build a sense of community and belonging and have better health from eating nutritious fruit and vegetables. It will also teach civic pride and responsibility by not stealing from one's own community through their honour code.
That is extremely difficult. There's not enough land in areas like Sydney to even clear for housing, let alone organic farming. It will also consume a lot more time and people need to work. How would you deal with equity issues? This sounds like communism with all the farming and whatnot.

our zoning laws should forbid single zone developments for huge shopping malls, and tract suburban development that is the predominant building landscape in our capital cities. We can create livable higher amenity neighbourhoods by mandating all new neighbourhoods look like this with local cafe strips and 40km zones. Currently only exclusive neighbourhoods have this 'village' feel and part of the reason they are expensive is because people want to live there. I dont thing income should be a barrier to entry to living in a more walkable, community orientated, close to public transport area.
Costs lots of money to redevelop and refurbish areas. It won't be viable in some areas where there is higher percentages of people with lower incomes. also 40km zones are way too slow, people need to get around faster. Also, wouldn't you demolish the diversity of food options if we just limit it to 'local cafe strips'?

The reason people fall behind in our unequal society is because poorer parents send their kids to shitty schools and dont enforce discipline and a love for learning at home after school. What needs to happen to fix this is that we need to make teaching the same status as doctors. Teaching will now pay you 100k starting salary plus performance bonuses, ATAR starting at 99. Good teachers will get job security and benefits. We will also advertise in foreign countries for the best teachers to come here and teach our teachers how to do better.
How would you define a 'good teacher'? You also can't generalise and say all 'poorer parents' 'dont enforce discipline and a love for learning at home after school'. It could be that there are more pressing issues, such as family, that reside in their household. You need to look at the circumstances before you can make such swift generalisations. Also, if you make the ATAR for teachers at 99, there would be no teachers (plus they all tutor privately).

Schools will now be open until 5.30-6pm so that kids can spend time after school doing tutoring. Since everyone is forced to be there even the poor kids will learn about a love for education and be forced to complete their homework before coming home. This may be a good opportunity to offer free food to people who may not afford it.
Forcing people to stay at school around dinner time won't make them 'love' the education system. In fact, it could potentially strain a lot of families that are dealing with issues, etc. Is it really necessary to make students stay past 3:15 or whatever time school ends? It just seems like a waste if students have other activities to attend to, i.e. extra curricular.

We will abolish federal income tax. The GST money will now all be collected and go to canberra and the states will be able to raise their own income taxes. By allowing this, the pressure will be off of stamp duty from inflated housing, and the federal government will have less power to force the states to act in unison with their 'national plans'. Further, state charges on water and gas and electicity wont be massively ramped up because the state didnt have the means to pay for capital improvements. It also means different states can attract industry to them by having a low tax base so they encourage more foreign investment.
This can potentially create divides within state. What if the tax money was used differently for each state? How would that promote equality? Also, you need income tax and other sorts of tax to fund government initiatives that benefit the nation as a whole, such as Medicare and welfare (although that gets abused too much). What happens to Medicare when one state pays more tax than the other? GST won't be able to fund it all.

upsize meals banned, happy meals and advertising of junk food to children banned, mcdonalds only allowed in foodcourts and centres not in drive through strip malls, higher taxes on foods, mandate that supermarkets can have a 30 per cent maximum percentage of their stores dedicated to unhealthy processed foods, give tax concessions to retailers selling healthy or organic food.
Let people live their own life. If they want to destroy their bodies with processed junk, then let them do it. Isn't that whats this country such a great place to live in? Freedom of choice? Also, organic food would be quite hard to make "cheap". It takes farmers 3 years for organic certification and Australia probably doesn't have enough organic farms to sustain the whole country (i.e. low supply). What would we do then? Import goods? It could actually be more expensive for the consumer, because we will need to pay for all the tariffs and transportation costs that come with that imported organic apple or whatever.

and all roads must have a compulsory separated with a concrete barrier bike lane so that people on bicycles can use them and get priority over traffic

Compulsory underground bike parking stations that are free and rail cars on public transport for people to store bikes in
Unviable. In comparison to cars, how many people actually bike? Also, do you know how much room bike storage consumes?? Do you also know how packed the trains are during peak hour? It would be the biggest nuisance, plus it would cost a lot to redesign the trains for that purpose (i.e. ticket prices would have to go up if we were to fund such a impractical project).
 

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At the end of the day a question like this is going to have opinionated responses based on peoples political beliefs. (Left/Right Wing) That aside I think even for someone who is centre-right would find it difficult to disagree with the fact that society is more supportive of the high income earners.
 

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That aside I think even for someone who is centre-right would find it difficult to disagree with the fact that society is more supportive of the high income earners.
and for good reason
 

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poverty in australia: living in a 2 bedroom house with a flat screen and internet access while getting fat on eating too much food. such poverty.
The population of homeless has exploded in the past 20 years. Mostly due to the paucity of mental health services. In the 90's they closed all the massive state institutions and set the mentally ill free. Which is a good idea, sort of, if there had been anything else at all in place to support people.
 

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right, but that's unrelated to the official "poverty line".
 

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The population of homeless has exploded in the past 20 years. Mostly due to the paucity of mental health services. In the 90's they closed all the massive state institutions and set the mentally ill free. Which is a good idea, sort of, if there had been anything else at all in place to support people.
poverty and homelessness are not essentially related. noticed how there's a greater proportion of homeless men than women? there's a lot more private support structures for homeless women. You can be homeless and have money, real estate and housing is a bitch right now. lots of homeless are mentally ill because they've been bored out of their minds while they're homeless. imagine you got nothing to do all day for weeks on end, it fucks with your mind.
 

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Well, I guess it's not about those people. Not all of the people live like it, and the fact that you don't see them does not change the fact.
if you've got a roof on your head and food in your stomach, you're richer than most people on the planet. Or do something to get out of your situation, it's not like there's a huge unemployment problem in Australia.
 

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In Australia 2050 the gap between the rich and the poor has reached epic proportions, the government has privatized the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) and other national assets, the government has cut taxes for corporations and the mega rich, there is no welfare rights, Australia has become like China and India, the population has increased dramatically, slave labour has been introduced, human rights has been eroded, crime has increased, the government doesn't care and gangs have taken over. Food is scarce for disadvantaged members of society. Australia has become a living hell. Fiery the angels fell, thunder rumbled around their shores, burning with the fires of hell.
 
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In Australia 2050 the gap between the rich and the poor has reached epic proportions, the government has privatized the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC)
right, because poor people watch the abc

the government has cut taxes for corporations and the mega rich,
corporate taxes are bad. corporate income is used either for investment or for income. the former is good, the latter is taxed any way.

also, I don't think you can reasonably conclude that this is likely based on current information. four decades is too long.

there is no welfare rights, Australia has become like China and India,
which is precisely what you wanted

the population has increased dramatically
again, you wanted this


slave labour has been introduced,
thats absurd


human rights has been eroded,
literacy too, apparently


the government doesn't care and gangs have taken over.

given the strong crackdown on bikie gangs, theres hardly any reason to suspect this will happen

Food is scarce for disadvantaged members of society.
scarce, meaning, "can't eat myself into morbid obesity on my welfare check?"


Australia has become a living hell. Fiery the angels fell, thunder rumbled around their shores, burning with the fires of hell.
look, inequality might have risen in recent years, but real incomes of most income brackets have increased over the past few decades. the average australian is well off both in absolute terms and compared to the rest of the world


theres absolutely nothing that suggests that Australia's going to be worse off in 40 years, let alone "hell on earth"
 

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In Australia 2050 the gap between the rich and the poor has reached epic proportions, the government has privatized the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) and other national assets, the government has cut taxes for corporations and the mega rich, there is no welfare rights, Australia has become like China and India, the population has increased dramatically, slave labour has been introduced, human rights has been eroded, crime has increased, the government doesn't care and gangs have taken over. Food is scarce for disadvantaged members of society. Australia has become a living hell. Fiery the angels fell, thunder rumbled around their shores, burning with the fires of hell.
How are you talking about 2050 in the present tense, when it's in the future? We aren't living in this hypothesised "hell" you claim we are. Where is your evidence?! We're actually extremely affluent, in comparison to other countries, and our idea of "food scarcity" is exceedingly different to other countries. I highly doubt we will descend into the "fires of hell" by 2050.

Also, how are you "the foremost sage of our era"? I am actually curious as to who labelled you as one. So please, enlighten me because I truly do not comprehend.
 

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Australia's living standards are in terminal decline. Australia was a once great nation, a land where anything was possible. Now it is increasingly becoming a living hell. Do you know that pensioners are resorting to illegal drug dealing to get money on the table. Pensioners are starving to death, too afraid to turn the lights on. Do you think that Australia is a utopia to these people? Pensioners are being treated as second class citizens in their own country.
 

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Australia's living standards are in terminal decline.
empirically false

Pensioners are starving to death, too afraid to turn the lights on. Do you think that Australia is a utopia to these people? Pensioners are being treated as second class citizens in their own country.
right, the person who thinks we should open the floodgates to poor immigrants is complaining that we dont spend enough on pensioners

nice job dummy
 

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