French/Greek elections (4 Viewers)

[Annihilist]

No. Socialists say the govt should force the rich to give to the poor. There's a difference.

Which is what exactly? Jesus said the rich should give to the poor. Socialists say the rich should give to the poor. Socialist governments say the rich should give to the poor, and they have power so therefore they enforce it. The only difference is enforcement of this ideology.

 

[qawe]

You are right, except that there's no "fear of Christianity", except the fear of losing votes from the Christian mass. There is an irrational fear of Islam because of 9/11 and that other one, and so the influence of Islam is due to a fear of violence and terrorism. So...maybe if we didn't have so much contempt for Islam then we wouldn't be so scared and we wouldn't submit to their "influence". Maybe.

Or it's a rational fear. I don't know why everyone cites 9/11. It did happen. It was not a hoax.

We now have to spend billions if not trillions worldwide on additional security, including lost productivity.

 

[qawe]

Which is what exactly? Jesus said the rich should give to the poor. Socialists say the rich should give to the poor. Socialist governments say the rich should give to the poor, and they have power so therefore they enforce it. The only difference is enforcement of this ideology.

One is enforcement, and one is out of ones own volition.
It's not really much of a good deed if you're forced.

 

[GoForTheEyes]

Look at what Jesus (is said to have) said:

Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Right. Rich people should sell their businesses and capital resources - this will accomplish what exactly? Poor people are drunks, gamblers and drug addicts. They will burn through this money instead of investing it for a secure future.

Wealth distribution also probably helps the lower classes breed, which is obviously bad for society.

 

[Lentern]

intrinsically virtous

based on what exactly

Your views on faith are quite well documented, I'm not deluded enough to think there is any prospect of a constructive dialogue here.

 

[Lentern]

Tolerance was merely an illustration of the facade I was describing.
Of course not all leftists have these ulterior motives: some do, some are tricked by others, and some trick themselves.
This does not inhibit IMO a Christian voting for the left. But it is my argument in the framework of a political rather than a chruch/religous discussion, using Christianity as a cogent point for those who are Christian.

what?

 

[funkshen]

please stay on topic guys

hollande is the new roosevelt yes/no

 

[Annihilist]

Or it's a rational fear. I don't know why everyone cites 9/11. It did happen. It was not a hoax.

We now have to spend billions if not trillions worldwide on additional security, including lost productivity.

Because the death of 3000 civilians is negligible compared to the amount of innocents the US military kills every year.

One is enforcement, and one is out of ones own volition.
It's not really much of a good deed if you're forced.

The ideology is the same. It's not about integrity of the deed, but the outcome.

Look at what Jesus (is said to have) said:

Right. Rich people should sell their businesses and capital resources - this will accomplish what exactly? Poor people are drunks, gamblers and drug addicts. They will burn through this money instead of investing it for a secure future.

Wealth distribution also probably helps the lower classes breed, which is obviously bad for society.

Poor people have less money, that is all. One's worth should not be determined by their monetary wealth. Money does(should) not define a man's value.

Really, the reason people don't get enough is because they can't get jobs. The reason the don't get jobs is probably because they didn't knuckle down and do as they are told at school, therefore didn't get the score they needed to go on to uni and get a degree so they could get a decent income. So, really, poor people are just individuals who do what they want with their life, while the rich are obedient slaves to the corporate run system. For some reason, obedience seems to grant jobs and money and wealth; while the opposite leads to poverty.

 

[funkshen]

poe's law

 

[mirakon]

Because the death of 3000 civilians is negligible compared to the amount of innocents the US military kills every year.

The ideology is the same. It's not about integrity of the deed, but the outcome.

Poor people have less money, that is all. One's worth should not be determined by their monetary wealth. Money does(should) not define a man's value.

Really, the reason people don't get enough is because they can't get jobs. The reason the don't get jobs is probably because they didn't knuckle down and do as they are told at school, therefore didn't get the score they needed to go on to uni and get a degree so they could get a decent income. So, really, poor people are just individuals who do what they want with their life, while the rich are obedient slaves to the corporate run system. For some reason, obedience seems to grant jobs and money and wealth; while the opposite leads to poverty.

Doesn't mean they deserve all the benefits then tbh

 

[Lolsmith]

Really, the reason people don't get enough is because they can't get jobs. The reason the don't get jobs is probably because they didn't knuckle down and do as they are told at school, therefore didn't get the score they needed to go on to uni and get a degree so they could get a decent income. So, really, poor people are just individuals who do what they want with their life, while the rich are obedient slaves to the corporate run system. For some reason, obedience seems to grant jobs and money and wealth; while the opposite leads to poverty.

Not sure if trolling or just stupid

 

[Annihilist]

Not sure if trolling or just stupid

Not trolling or stupid. If I'm wrong it's because I have not done enough research and therefore don't have enough information to make a valid judgement. Not due to lack of intelligence.

 

[qawe]

The ideology is the same. It's not about integrity of the deed, but the outcome.

My point is that Jesus was not out to support a particular political system or ideology.

 

[Annihilist]

My point is that Jesus was not out to support a particular political system or ideology.

He had is own ideology with is incredibly similar to socialism.

 

[softchillisauce]

Greece isn't called The Welfare State for nothing.

 

[Annihilist]

Greece isn't called The Welfare State for nothing.

Greece's GDP comes entirely from tourism, which is the primary reason they're economy is in the shit right now.

 

[mirakon]

greece looks like it might be going for another election as no one has yet got a mandate to rule

 

[Phoenix Fury]

I hope Hollande at least hates the internet less than sarkuntzky.

 

[SylviaB]

Your views on faith are quite well documented, I'm not deluded enough to think there is any prospect of a constructive dialogue here.

saying that jesus' views are, independant of them being jesus', "inherently virtuous" is almost entirely meaningless

you can't go around calling things "inherently virtous" but then have a sook when someone asks you what the hell that even means

 

[SylviaB]

Not trolling or stupid. If I'm wrong it's because I have not done enough research and therefore don't have enough information to make a valid judgement. Not due to lack of intelligence.

talking about something authoritatively without having enough information to make a valid judgement sounds pretty unintelligent to me

and still, lack of information or not, only an idiot would come to the conclusions you did