Ranks? (2 Viewers)

[Coookies]

This might be a dumb question but I was wondering...

Is it possible to get a higher ATAR than someone thats ranked higher than you?

 

[loaves]

Yeah, if you do well enough in the externals.

 

[Coookies]

Okay sweet, thanks

 

[someth1ng]

The actual HSC exam weighs an overall 50% so in the end, your HSC Mark can be higher but quite alot.

 

[Coookies]

But what about the whole "the person ranked first gets the top mark"?

 

[Examine]

If the person who was first in James Ruse in Mathematics internally wrote, "Up yours" in the HSC exam would he get the top mark?

 

[enoilgam]

But what about the whole "the person ranked first gets the top mark"?

The person coming first internally will recieve the highest external mark their cohort achieved as their internal mark, the same goes for the person coming last internally. For example person A is coming first in english and recieves 90 in their final exam. The highest mark from their cohort in the final exam was 93. So person A's internal mark will be 93 and their external mark 90, giving them a final overall mark of 92 (average of 90 and 93 is 91.5, it is then rounded to 92). All internal marks between 1st and last are moderated.

 

[Coookies]

So what you get internally really doesn't go to anything? Its all ranks?

 

[someth1ng]

Yes and no, it is based on relative gaps between students which is how the marks in between top and bottom exam mark are determined.

 

[SpiralFlex]

I've been told this a number of times: Focus on the HSC content and the scaling will work itself.

 

[inJust]

No, your internal mark is 50% and your external is 50%.
So if you're ranked 1, and the highest mark from your cohort is 100, you get 100+_ _ (whatever you got) over 2.
So to answer your question, no he would not get 100 with an "Up yours". Maybe a 50 if he's lucky.

 

[enoilgam]

Yes and no, it is based on relative gaps between students which is how the marks in between top and bottom exam mark are determined.

This, the raw internal marks only determine relative gaps - the rankings are way more important.

I've been told this a number of times: Focus on the HSC content and the scaling will work itself.

Very true, dont worry yourself over this sort of stuff, its beyond your control. Just worry about the things that you can control.

 

[Official]

You need a good rank to do well in the end

 

[Cl324]

No, your internal mark is 50% and your external is 50%.
So if you're ranked 1, and the highest mark from your cohort is 100, you get 100+_ _ (whatever you got) over 2.
So to answer your question, no he would not get 100 with an "Up yours". Maybe a 50 if he's lucky.

Nah this isnt true. They take into account the gaps as well like someth1ng said.
If you're rank 1 and you get 80 and the rank 2 tops the state, your not going to get the state ranking as your internal.

 

[cem]

Nah this isnt true. They take into account the gaps as well like someth1ng said.
If you're rank 1 and you get 80 and the rank 2 tops the state, your not going to get the state ranking as your internal.

If you rank 1st and you get 80 for the exam you will keep that 80.

If 2nd get 100 for his exam then you get 100 for your internal - giving you a final mark of 90 (80+100)/2.

You keep your own exam mark at all times. You get an internal mark that reflects your rank, the relative gaps between you and those around in in the ranks and is based on the range of marks, median and mean of the exam marks earned by your cohort.

 

[inJust]

If you rank 1st and you get 80 for the exam you will keep that 80.

If 2nd get 100 for his exam then you get 100 for your internal - giving you a final mark of 90 (80+100)/2.

You keep your own exam mark at all times. You get an internal mark that reflects your rank, the relative gaps between you and those around in in the ranks and is based on the range of marks, median and mean of the exam marks earned by your cohort.

This. So if 2nd got a state rank, then he overtakes you in the end. Say if his internal mark was closer to you. So his mark could be 95(int)+100(ext)/2
And 1st could of got 100+80/2 = so he'll only get 90.

 

[Bobbo1]

This. So if 2nd got a state rank, then he overtakes you in the end. Say if his internal mark was closer to you. So his mark could be 95(int)+100(ext)/2
And 1st could of got 100+80/2 = so he'll only get 90.

+1

 

[SanjoyM]

Just wondering how the final rank is determined?

Suppose Person B comes first in Assessment task1 and Person A 2nd
but in the next 2 tasks Person A comes first consistently and then B comes first for the next 2 tasks, and then in the trials Person A comes first.
How do they determine who comes first besides the highest percentage? Confused :S

My question: If someone comes first in the first assessment task, does their position remain or does it alternate as other people may come first?

 

[Bored_of_HSC]

Just wondering how the final rank is determined?

Suppose Person B comes first in Assessment task1 and Person A 2nd
but in the next 2 tasks Person A comes first consistently and then B comes first for the next 2 tasks, and then in the trials Person A comes first.
How do they determine who comes first besides the highest percentage? Confused :S

My question: If someone comes first in the first assessment task, does their position remain or does it alternate as other people may come first?

Isn't it just whoever has the highest percentage by the end? How else would they do it?

(not sure if i misinterpreted your question)

 

[SanjoyM]

Yeah, it's a weird question anyway.
Someone told me whoever attains first place in the first assessment task retains that rank throughout regardless of their marks and despite others attaining a first place as well!!
Lies... -.-
Actually, I'm paranoid because I have been consistently coming first for Advanced and Extension English, so just thinking what if I rank 2nd in one of the assessments and then first again consistently, attainging the first overall?

Hope that's a bit clearer