Module B Hate Thread (3 Viewers)

[sophielee169]

I thought it would be fairer to do that sort of question, but then again, BOS wants to screw students over. I knew something bad would happen to module B, although I didn't predict it right...

although they dont see that it is not fairer at all.. by specifying a speech, all they do is give people who have chosen that speech an advantage over the rest. we are not told to know every speech in depth, and they cant expect you to know every speech well enough to be able to make detailed reference.. so in my personal opinion the specification was stupid and in no way made it fairer!

 

[sophielee169]

Speeches was a joke! Everyone in our year only looked at 2 or 3 specifically. I studied so much for Keating and Pearson, I couldnt even remember what the speech they asked for was about. Definately had a little freak out, trying to work out how to fudge my way through a VERY short essay. Woo fail for module B.
At least my other module questions were alright and pretty adaptable...

yeah im pretty sure thats what everyone did because thats all teachers tell you to do!!!!

 

[Entity]

I just went in there and went, how about I just write what I already know, Hamlet's inability to act and his comparison to Fortinbras and Laertes, and then at the end of every paragraph go "In the closing scenes, both Laertes, Fortinbras and Hamlet are all able to act" blah blah. Overall, not my BEST attempt, but I think it went down quite well, aiming for about a 15/20, and if everyones bitching about, MAYBE ILL GET A BETTER MARK CAUSE OF ALIGNMENT yuuuuuuuuuuuuuus.

 

[nathanf]

Um, so the HSC set the 40 minute time-frame so that most people could write "superficial responses"? That's not the case with me because I don't go in with prepared essays and I seem to do fine. Some have that talent, some don't.... it's something you need to work on... you don't just gain it with a blink of an eye.

Strictly speaking Talent is unattainable if you lack it at birth. Skill is gained with practice.

But only too true. 40 minutes makes even talented students stress out or work very hard to write a good response. I had no pre-prepared bodies or introductions or anything for any of my essays, nor have I ever and I do alright. But to write a brilliant essay with most students not needing to resort to ' regurgitating' a three hour test would be necessary for Paper 2. Paper 1 is fine as is. But trying to earn 5 marks more than paper 1, when its harder and requires much more writing in the same time frame isn't kind of BOS.

 

[editav]

God it would suck for people who didn't do the specified speeches/essays/poems , but maybe BOS just wants everyone to know they're serious about the whole learn 'every speech/poem/essay' etc etc :l

 

[acemusic415]

The Board is probably raveling in enjoyment right now, fucking up the 2011 cohort.

 

[sophielee169]

Re: wtf are Module B man..........

Not really sure what you're saying here or whether it is relevant for the Yeats question . We were taught that through the critical study of his poems, we find that his work is timeless and this is what I used as my thesis, suggesting that this notion is shaped by my personal reading of the final stanza of Among School Children, which vastly differs from the common reading of the poem as a reflection on youth and time. But I really don't know if this was ok ....

agree with you completely although i did speeches.. same thing

 

[Entity]

The Board is probably raveling in enjoyment right now, fucking up the 2011 cohort.

This is how I imagine the BOS right now:

 

[sophielee169]

I 100% agree with this, but I still feel those doing Hamlet were better off as it is still ONE text, which i presume has a common idea running throughout, whereas those doing speeches/poems had a variety of texts to learn that address different issues.... Hopefully it is reflected in the aligning!

i agree completely!

 

[cassiecolless]

lol, and what text did you do? you try studying eight speeches, some of which go over 10 pages, that do not all have a central theme or message to link them together, and know enough about them all to make 'detailed reference' to the entirety of the speech. that is not what we were prepared for at all.. infact our teachers- and hsc markers at english lectures for that matter- told us to only learn 2-3 speeches in depth as that is all we'd need to write about.. so yes, we do have the right to complain.

agreed.

 

[sophielee169]

haha spoke to my friend who did speeches as their critical study. awkward moment when their teacher tells them that they will only be focusing on 3 of them because that's all they needed. Imagine their shock when they saw the question was specific and had NO idea what the specified speech was about. bad teaching right there.

its not bad teaching power, im pretty sure thats what majority of the teachers said because thats what the general idea was.. as if youd be able to know enough about 8 speeches, some of which go over 10 pages, to make detailed reference.. its absolute bullshit! and i went to an english seminar earlier this year run by hsc markers who told us only to know 2-3 speeches...

 

[sophielee169]

True, 40 minutes is not enough for most people to write a proper response rather than a superficial one. This is why the majority of students regurgitate essays. I know some of you are genius and probably going to bitch about me for whinging but not everyone is able think on the spot so quickly like that.

the point of the exam is however to test your knowledge.. to give you a q that makes you look back on your knowledge of the info, not to have prepared essays which show no understanding. however i do disagree with the specification of certain speeches/poems as there is no way they can expect you to have a good enough knowledge of all of them to be able to make detailed reference seeming as though some go for over 10 pages

 

[Jacko32]

Re: Module B - too specific?

It was too specific for those people who didn't study the last part of the play. I could relate it because I did have a general idea about what the last scenes were trying convey...and then I just linked it to my theme study. So I think I either did alright, or well.

I did the same, we only studied specific scenes in class and we did not focus on the last part (regret that the teacher didn't do it now)

 

[pony_magician]

lol, and what text did you do? you try studying eight speeches, some of which go over 10 pages, that do not all have a central theme or message to link them together, and know enough about them all to make 'detailed reference' to the entirety of the speech. that is not what we were prepared for at all.. infact our teachers- and hsc markers at english lectures for that matter- told us to only learn 2-3 speeches in depth as that is all we'd need to write about.. so yes, we do have the right to complain.

Same deal with George Orwell's essays.
I mean, they were easier to link, but our teacher said to probably learn 2 really well and a 3rd if necessary.
It was luck.
(That said, there was an exert given so I was able to BS/analyse enough)

 

[uirate]

lol, sore losers ITT. EVERYONE was in the same boat.. whether you did Gwen Harwood's poetry or the speeches, we ALL had to analyse a SPECIFIC poem/speech. If this question disadvantaged one group of people, i would understand all the bitching going on.. but it really doesn't. The bored found a way to screw over people who solely rely on a prepared and memorised response.. bl if that was you. Luckily for me, The Violets had been a poem i chose to memorise

 

[mirakon]

lol, and what text did you do? you try studying eight speeches, some of which go over 10 pages, that do not all have a central theme or message to link them together, and know enough about them all to make 'detailed reference' to the entirety of the speech. that is not what we were prepared for at all.. infact our teachers- and hsc markers at english lectures for that matter- told us to only learn 2-3 speeches in depth as that is all we'd need to write about.. so yes, we do have the right to complain.

8x10=80 pages. Hamlet is far more than that, and so are many other of the module b texts. Furthermore, Hamlet doesn't have a central theme either but about 5-6 main ones you need to know quotes for. SO no offence, but you weren't so specially disadvantaged.

 

[michaeljennings]

Why were we asked to explain how the ending of the house arrest lady's speech informed our judgement of any of the 6 unrelated speeches? I also did not know where this lady's last name began so instead of using her last name every time I mentioned her I had to use her full name. I hate her parents =/

 

[4025808]

This is how I imagine the BOS right now:

Now I'm thinking of what they could really do for the upcoming maths exams. I'm hoping they don't throw something very terrible like some of the past HSC questions beyond the 1990s =_=

 

[sophielee169]

8x10=80 pages. Hamlet is far more than that, and so are many other of the module b texts. Furthermore, Hamlet doesn't have a central theme either but about 5-6 main ones you need to know quotes for. SO no offence, but you weren't so specially disadvantaged.

haha youve got to be kidding? hamlet is one text. there is a story line that im sure if its anything like any of Shakespeare's other plays has central themes and messages in which he aims to convey through his writing.. i too studied shakespeare for conflicing perspectives and let me tell you, if they had given an extract on the final lines of the play with the same question it would have been 100x easier. the speeches have no central meaning throughout or link at all. yes it is possible to synthesise a couple of them together, but not all. its alot easier to remembering information regarding one text as it clearly all ties in together. a composer doesnt write a text thats disconnected, where one scene doesnt relate to the next. the point is for it to flow, therefore making it easier. for the people who did speeches and essays it was a great disadvantage. atleast with skrzynecki's poems in belonging the central meaning and themes ran throughout all of the 7 or so poems, ie it was surrounding the hardships of migration. to be honest if you cant see the central theme in a text you studied that consists of ONE TEXT, NOT EIGHT THAT DONT RELATE, pretty sure you failed the course lol

 

[sophielee169]

Why were we asked to explain how the ending of the house arrest lady's speech informed our judgement of any of the 6 unrelated speeches? I also did not know where this lady's last name began so instead of using her last name every time I mentioned her I had to use her full name. I hate her parents =/

sooooo crap, right?