Govt wants ISPs to record browsing history (2 Viewers)

[Rothbard]

So Lentern is a Catholic but not a very good one

and a labor supporter, but again not a very good one.

BOOM.

 

[-Lemon-]

I can sort of not care about the date/time of my phone calls or each time I connect to the internet, but when the content of what I'm browsing is recorded, that's when I'd put my foot down and say no.

Why? What have you got to hide?
Someone would only be against this if they look at child porn or something.

 

[Kim Il-Sung]

Why? What have you got to hide?
Someone would only be against this if they look at child porn or something.

what did soviet citizens have to hide from their government?

i mean if they stayed within the realms of the law and reported a minimum of 5 comrades a day to the authorities due to suspicious trotskyist activities then they had nothing to worry about

but seriously how can you condone such a gross invasion of privacy that sets a worrisome precedent for the future and has earnt us reprimands from nations like the US? and given that authorities can get this info with a warrant anyway, why the hell should we make it easier for them to snoop into our lives?

 

[jennyfromdabloc]

the trolls are trolling each other now?

 

[Optimus Prime]

I think when it is something that actually affects their porn habbits they get all srs

 

[abbeyroad]

Oh shutup you nong, just like Abbeyroad, the moment someone demands you substantiate your paranoid, hysterical oratory you turn to untrue, personal abuse. Yes I attend a catholic mass once a week and take communion, but heres some other news, I also attend the marriage equality rallies. I also believe that abortion is the inalienable right of every woman and that contraception is a wonderful thing. I also volunteer at the house of welcome, a charity organisation for refugees and asylum seekers, the same work I do there by the way I could be and used to get paid for doing at Young Christian Workers but I left the YCW because I liked HOW work more.

Yes I think that Labor governments are generally preferable to liberal ones but guess what? I am a registered member of the Australian Greens you tool. I also would like to see Barry O'farrell defeat Kristina Kenneally at the 2011 State Election. So please restate your charge of my believing in nothing, restate it, substantiate it, cite examples, refute me, I would like nothing more than to say a pathetic half educated spiv like yourself try and argue that one again.

Finally no it wasn't some attempt to sound like Oscar Wilde although re-reading it does sound a bit like clunky prose, it was a mere observation.

shut the fuck you dumb communist cunt. My insults were a retort to your feeble ad hominems that you put forth to weaken my arguments. I probably shouldn't have stooped down to your level but the fact that you're a naive dumb fuck needed to be pointed out. It's funny how you should accuse Dan and me of resorting to personal abuse when asked to substantiate our views while in fact you were actually the one to resort to ad hominems and the one who insisted on regurgitating the same old unsubstantiated bullshit over and over again. We know that no amount of evidence will make you even question your views so why bother?

"lulz gaiz dunt worri lulz iz ok 4 da guvment 2 encroch on ou libertiz cuz the guvmentz alays do da righ thing diz iz nut srs infrigment on our freedomz i duntz carez nutin abut ur evidencz ur nuthin butz a bunc of paroniod nutcases11!!11one" Well guess what you moronic imbecile, John Locke disagrees with you, John Stuart Mill and the founding fathers of the United States, namely Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton and James Madison all disagree with you. The internet filter, and if proven true, this data retention bill too, will have far reaching implications for civil liberties in Australia and is a cause for concern. Google had said this, the United States of fucking America had said this so why don't you SHUT THE FUCK UP? You're as fucking stupid as you are stubborn.

 

[Funky Monk]

Much like the filter, I don't see entirely why I should care? If I view nothing illegal than nothing will happen and if I do something illegal I will be caught and prosecuted?

So your argument is based, largely, on a supposed infallibility of the law as it is currently enshrined?

Yes a cursory glance over history will show that the law is always right, and people should not be allowed any personal discretion at all. Ho-ho! Good one, dickhead.

 

[chrisnumber1]

Ugh. Only make it apply to Muslims please.



That's stored on your computer, deleting it wont mean anything. If they start recording it then it's stored on the ISP's servers and you can't do shit about it.

i think it was a joke

 

[Lentern]

shut the fuck you dumb communist cunt. My insults were a retort to your feeble ad hominems that you put forth to weaken my arguments. I probably shouldn't have stooped down to your level but the fact that you're a naive dumb fuck needed to be pointed out. It's funny how you should accuse Dan and me of resorting to personal abuse when asked to substantiate our views while in fact you were actually the one to resort to ad hominems and the one who insisted on regurgitating the same old unsubstantiated bullshit over and over again. We know that no amount of evidence will make you even question your views so why bother?

"lulz gaiz dunt worri lulz iz ok 4 da guvment 2 encroch on ou libertiz cuz the guvmentz alays do da righ thing diz iz nut srs infrigment on our freedomz i duntz carez nutin abut ur evidencz ur nuthin butz a bunc of paroniod nutcases11!!11one" Well guess what you moronic imbecile, John Locke disagrees with you, John Stuart Mill and the founding fathers of the United States, namely Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton and James Madison all disagree with you. The internet filter, and if proven true, this data retention bill too, will have far reaching implications for civil liberties in Australia and is a cause for concern. Google had said this, the United States of fucking America had said this so why don't you SHUT THE FUCK UP? You're as fucking stupid as you are stubborn.

Your true to form this time AR, as a Beatles fan it pains me terribly to think you such an idiot. You've repeatedly referred to these ad hominem arguments I apparently made, perhaps we can contextualize them a bit? My recollection is that you heckled me for being apathetic about breaches of rights, I responded that I am motivated by things that matter citing my work for House of Welcome and then did what was only fair, asked you to substantiate this attack by explaining how you were more active than I, albeit with a leading question or three. The suggestion that you came down to my level, that I ever suggested the kind of things you accused me of is just cheap, nasty lying as indeed were most of the things you said.

Where on earth do you get the temerity to then wheel around and suggest I have been out of line at all? Time after time you have ignored what I said and instead attacked the strawman you wished I had constructed, your appeal to authority is pathetic for someone who has professed we must play by the rules of high school debating. It is not the unconcerned but informed individuals like me who will see the collapse of human rights in a society but the batshit insanely paranoid hysterics like you who ignore rationale thought and sensible discourse in place of beautiful, glorious ideological rhetoric. It is you who are unable to discern between an actual serious reduction of freedom and an ineffective non policy that contains a buzzword or two.

If ever there was a cogent argument in favour of 1984 style censorship though, you provide every time poison the internet with your endless flow of idealogical effluent.

So your argument is based, largely, on a supposed infallibility of the law as it is currently enshrined?
Yes a cursory glance over history will show that the law is always right, and people should not be allowed any personal discretion at all. Ho-ho! Good one, dickhead.

What an absurdly stupid thing to say, you weaken your cause by your mere association with it. Of course there are bad laws and anyone who thinks I suggested to the contrary are either liars or fools. If the law is bad however you change the law, you don't simply neglect to enforce it properly, that is the path to abandonment of the basic rule of the law.

 

[abbeyroad]

Your true to form this time AR, as a Beatles fan it pains me terribly to think you such an idiot. You've repeatedly referred to these ad hominem arguments I apparently made, perhaps we can contextualize them a bit? My recollection is that you heckled me for being apathetic about breaches of rights, I responded that I am motivated by things that matter citing my work for House of Welcome and then did what was only fair, asked you to substantiate this attack by explaining how you were more active than I, albeit with a leading question or three. The suggestion that you came down to my level, that I ever suggested the kind of things you accused me of is just cheap, nasty lying as indeed were most of the things you said.

Where on earth do you get the temerity to then wheel around and suggest I have been out of line at all? Time after time you have ignored what I said and instead attacked the strawman you wished I had constructed, your appeal to authority is pathetic for someone who has professed we must play by the rules of high school debating. It is not the unconcerned but informed individuals like me who will see the collapse of human rights in a society but the batshit insanely paranoid hysterics like you who ignore rationale thought and sensible discourse in place of beautiful, glorious ideological rhetoric. It is you who are unable to discern between an actual serious reduction of freedom and an ineffective non policy that contains a buzzword or two.

If ever there was a cogent argument in favour of 1984 style censorship though, you provide every time poison the internet with your endless flow of idealogical effluent.



What an absurdly stupid thing to say, you weaken your cause by your mere association with it. Of course there are bad laws and anyone who thinks I suggested to the contrary are either liars or fools. If the law is bad however you change the law, you don't simply neglect to enforce it properly, that is the path to abandonment of the basic rule of the law.

cool story bro

go read On Liberty by Mill and then Locke's Two Treatises of Government so you don't look like a fucking twat with your fingers in your ears when you throw your bullshit around here.

 

[Lentern]

cool story bro

go read On Liberty by Mill and then Locke's Two Treatises of Government so you don't look like a fucking twat with your fingers in your ears when you throw your bullshit around here.

I have read Mill (and Fitzjames Stephen for that matter) and although very interesting in the same way a novel might be interesting I don't think I'll waste any more time on these quacks by reading Locke, atleast not now. Maybe you should read Harry Potter, its about as useful as reading Mill was.

 

[Rothbard]

You don't have a fucking ideology. You have this kind of warm idea of government intervention and really have no sense of self. Typical fucking catholic prostrating themselves before a powerful entity feeling guilty for everything.

Just because you differ with Rome on a few social things, it doesn't mean you don't still act like a serf.

 

[Lentern]

You don't have a fucking ideology. You have this kind of warm idea of government intervention and really have no sense of self. Typical fucking catholic prostrating themselves before a powerful entity feeling guilty for everything.

Just because you differ with Rome on a few social things, it doesn't mean you don't still act like a serf.

Supporting big government is an ideology you goose, you can't write something off as non existent just because its different to your version of it. Well you can but people will laugh at you.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Supporting big government isn't an ideology anymore than supporting a footy team is.

 

[Lentern]

Supporting big government isn't an ideology anymore than supporting a footy team is.

Social democracy is the technical term if you must have it.

 

[Rothbard]

Supporting big government is an ideology you goose, you can't write something off as non existent just because its different to your version of it. Well you can but people will laugh at you.

You're not even a fucking social democrat. Social democrats support civil liberties. Those apart from having your property appropriated legitimately at gunpoint.

 

[Optimus Prime]

you're not a fucking social democrat though, social democrats don't sacrifice their liberty to the government. Supporting shit like this is saying "I am a fucking farmyard animal that belongs to the government and exists but to produce and pay taxes."

Ugh. Sacrificing freedom for "security" is a fucking crock, sheep have security too but we don't want to follow in their hoofsteps.

 

[Funky Monk]

What an absurdly stupid thing to say, you weaken your cause by your mere association with it. Of course there are bad laws and anyone who thinks I suggested to the contrary are either liars or fools. If the law is bad however you change the law, you don't simply neglect to enforce it properly, that is the path to abandonment of the basic rule of the law.

Haha, how naive/idealistic/stupid.

 

[Lentern]

You're not even a fucking social democrat. Social democrats support civil liberties. Those apart from having your property appropriated legitimately at gunpoint.

you're not a fucking social democrat though, social democrats don't sacrifice their liberty to the government. Supporting shit like this is saying "I am a fucking farmyard animal that belongs to the government and exists but to produce and pay taxes."

Ugh. Sacrificing freedom for "security" is a fucking crock, sheep have security too but we don't want to follow in their hoofsteps.

then it dawns on him as a cracker explodes and who the hell is he going to blame, the horror...

...Lentern has always said he opposes the filter! That this freedom hating fascist which Rothbard, Abbeyroad and Sebastian have savaged is but a straw man constructed by anarchists and philistines. Beneath all the puffery, antagonistic snipes, sarcastic quips and a flutter with hyperbole all Lentern has said is that he finds the filter a pretty small thing while refugees are being treated like malicious criminals, in NT the racial discrimination act remains suspended amidst the backdrop of an ever warming climate.

 

[Lentern]

Haha, how naive/idealistic/stupid.

You want a list of pieces of legislation that have been amended or repealed in the past twelve months? I can rustle up one in about a minute if you want.