IDF Flotilla Incident Official Thread (5 Viewers)

[Rothbard]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

this doesn't help

 

[zombie omie jay]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

tbh israel wouldnt have a fortress mentality if the fucking muslims werent hellbent on their destruction hey guys hey

 

[bazrah]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

tbh israel wouldnt have a fortress mentality if the fucking muslims werent hellbent on their destruction hey guys hey

And where did all the peace activists just happen to come from? Oh Turkey where like 99% of the population are Muslims. There's a reason France kick so many Muslims out.

 

[zombie omie jay]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

yeah but dude u are crazy rightwing crazy so wateva

 

[mirakon]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

And where did all the peace activists just happen to come from? Oh Turkey where like 99% of the population are Muslims. There's a reason France kick so many Muslims out.

LOL, until this issue, Turkey was generally supportive of Israel, its common knowledge.

Furthermore, whilst this aid in itself was not sufficient, the general publicity of the action implies that it was more about making the political statement of Israel's reprehensible blockade and the need for aid rather than practically giving a lot of aid. After all, it's common sense that if they brought more aid, it would have just been wasted by Israel blocking it anyway.

 

[kaz1]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

And where did all the peace activists just happen to come from? Oh Turkey where like 99% of the population are Muslims. There's a reason France kick so many Muslims out.

in the words of da bbj
suck my big black islamic cock brahz

 

[Richard Gilmore]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

u guys get so worked up

Israel:
- shouldnt have boarded the boat.

Activists etc:
- shouldnt have attacked armed IDf members


???

both parties are at fault.



yes the bigger picture is that israel does what it wants when it wants, but if you look at this incident independently, both parties are equally at fault

i dont really think thats the case at all. when placing fault you've got to determine who was more wrong and who caused the incident more. and on both counts the blame lies further towards israel. their right to board that boat was questionable - they had other means than to board it in the first place - there was no reason to kill nineteen people.

boarding a boat illegally is a lesser evil than bashing people with metal poles to the extent that they felt their lives were in danger and lethal force was required to protect themselves

end
of
story

killing people is a bigger evil than beating people with metal poles. i'll assign some numbers to help you understand:

EVIL:
boarding a boat illegally and immorally: 1
hitting someone who has illegally and immorally boarded a boat with a metal pole: 1.1
killing someone: 1,000,000
killing nineteen people: 19,000,000

and you talk about feeling that ones life was in danger, yet you pay no attention to the fact that the aid activists were confronted with the IDF: They too probably felt their lives were in danger.

boarding and searching vessels in international waters, when the cargo is headed for their ports, is not new. most countries do it.

lol oh this ship was searched in Colombia, better not search it for cocaine hey guys, off you go to port have fun, also you have some white powder on your nose mate

nobody but israel thought that flotilla was carrying anything other than aid. all they were carrying was aid. are you seriously comparing a cocaine shipment with an aid shipment? are you that daft?

(although im p certain your stance on drugs isn't that of opposition, hence: troll)

 

[Richard Gilmore]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

this doesn't help

that is pretty awful

 

[zombie omie jay]

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killing people to protect their own lives

the activists knew they werent about to be murdered for no reason when they were first boarded

 

[Richard Gilmore]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

killing people to protect their own lives

there was no legitimate threat. and if i really wanted to press that point (and i don't, but still), the activists could be thought of as defending themselves from a known violent and oppressive force.

example: a batshit insane bogan cunt decides to hop into your car on a rural highway (and claims you are on, or near, his land) and points a gun at you. you respond with trying to beat him away with a steel pole. so he shoots you.

you might be a little at fault, but he woudl be mainly at fault. thats what the law says. thats what common sense says. thats whatv everyone but israeli apologists and defenders say.

the activists knew they werent about to be murdered for no reason when they were first boarded

WE COME IN PEACE! IGNORE OUR HISTORY, OUR WEAPONS, THE FACT THAT WE ARE AN ANTI-TERROR HIT SQUAD, AND IGNORE THE FACT THAT WE DESCENDED FROM A MOTHER FUCKING HELICOPTER.

shit you're a moron

 

[Richard Gilmore]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

as someone in the Herald said today

"have these activists no manners? everyone knows that when israeli commandos come calling on your boat in international water at 5am, you should invite them in for a cup of tea."

and furthermore

"when armed somalis storm ships in international waters it is called piracy, and the world's navies send ships to stamp it out. will they respons when armed israelis storm ships in international waters and kill their occupants?"

edit: not to totally defend the herald. they did nobody any favours by giving the israeli ambassador a place to put a totally biased, indefensible, reprehensible and batshit insane comment there. the palestinian piece was at least well moderated.

 

[zombie omie jay]

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come on dont be a dick

you cant suggest that the activists seriously thought they were about to be murdered for no reason

especially when the boarding of the 5 previous vessels went fine and the IDF were primarily armed with non lethal weapons

 

[Richard Gilmore]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

you cant suggest that the activists seriously thought they were about to be murdered for no reason

if your boat was raided by the IDF, would you seriously think they were there for any peaceful means? Give me one, ONE, example of when the IDF has done something like that with peaceful intent.

And just to hammer that point home

Activists on two ships, the Sfendoni and the Free Mediterranean, report being subdued with violence.[71]

Although the Israeli army has stated that the only incidents took place in Mavi Marmara, Spanish newspaper El País has reported that several people from the other ships were also wounded.[98] Activists from the Sfendoni and the Free Mediterranean reported that Israeli troops used tear gas, rubber bullets, and electrical shock against activists on board.[71]

especially when the boarding of the 5 previous vessels went fine and the IDF were primarily armed with non lethal weapons

that's pretty questionable dude. not only from the quotes above which show that the boarding of the other vessels was not peaceful, but also because the timeline is in question. i don't know the exact timeline but there was no indication that the people on board the mavi marmara knew exactly what happened on board other vessels, nor is there a rock hard account of which boat was boarded first.

 

[Richard Gilmore]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

vs

jeez i wonder which i'd find more threatening

 

[zombie omie jay]

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all im saying is

you can speculate all you want about perceived israeli intentions

but they werent the ones who initiated violence

 

[Richard Gilmore]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

all im saying is

you can speculate all you want about perceived israeli intentions

but they werent the ones who initiated violence

and i, and the rest of the world, am saying that is debatable. what's not debatable is that the killing of nineteen civilians was a MASSIVE over reaction, and its not the first over reaction we've seen from israel.

 

[zombie omie jay]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

stop saying 19 the consensus in the (jew)media is 9

from what i have read several times, the idf only opened fire after one member was on the ground being attacked and they feared he would be killed. overreaction?

and perhaps it was an overreaction, and israel is to blame for this, but they didnt initiate the violence and arent totally to blame

 

[Richard Gilmore]

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i don't think they're totally to blame either. there's never a situation when one party is soley to blame though so that's a moot point (to me and other reasonable people [aka: anyone but an israel supporter])

from what i have read several times, the idf only opened fire after one member was on the ground being attacked and they feared he would be killed. overreaction?

just on that point: if the IDF suspected that they might be subject to violence, and they felt the need to carry weapons on board because of that, why did they board in the first place? there were numerous other options - for one they could have waited until they hit gazan waters (although killing ANY number of people then would still be an over reaction). second, they could have just blocked the boats in and escorted them to ashdod - which, if i were on that boat, i would have expected quite frankly. third, they could have bought along non lethal weapons ONLY - the activists on board had nothing that could compete with the IDF's force. pepper spray or teargas - tasers even could have been enough IF they IDF felt they had no other option...if they had the right to board that boat in the first instance, which they did not.

but yes, an over reaction in every sense of the word.

 

[SnowFox]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

stop saying 19 the consensus in the (jew)media is 9

from what i have read several times, the idf only opened fire after one member was on the ground being attacked and they feared he would be killed. overreaction?

and perhaps it was an overreaction, and israel is to blame for this, but they didnt initiate the violence and arent totally to blame

Zip lining into a boat full of people without telling them is asking for trouble.

 

[zombie omie jay]

Re: Jesus fucking Christ - IDF massacres Turks on board humanitarian ship

they should have told them to go to ashdod
and if they didnt then torpedo the cunts