Homosexuality in Australia (3 Viewers)

[Kwayera]

You shall not commit adultery
You shall not covet your neighbor's wife

Christ and the apostles clearly affirmed this point.

Okay, so don't cheat on your wife after you've already married her. That's cool. Don't induce someone else to cheat. That doesn't say anything about sex before marriage and sex with contraceptives.

 

[Iron]

How can you resist being gay if it's programmed into you?

That's like being straight but forcing yourself to be gay. Can you imagine forcing yourself to be with the same sex?

If you do this, you're lieing to yourself, and will never be happy. If god wants or wanted us to be happy, then why would he do that to someone?

He wants us to be at peace in this life and to not be afraid. No peace comes from surrendering to a passion - rather this is the source of all unhappiness. Peace comes from self-mastery, from denying yourself your selfish instincts, from raising yourself above the smog of the immediate and instinctive and insodoing glimpsing the divine

 

[Name_Taken]

How can you resist being gay if it's programmed into you?

That's like being straight but forcing yourself to be gay. Can you imagine forcing yourself to be with the same sex?

If you do this, you're lieing to yourself, and will never be happy. If god wants or wanted us to be happy, then why would he make someone homosexual?

The conquering of your temptations through the strength of your faith is one of the greatest feelings of elation a human can apsire to acheive in this life.

You are hardly denying yourself happiness. You are denying yourself pleasure, which is only made desirable through your own selfish urges. Through self control however, you are carrying out God's will and when your faith is rewarded with eternal bliss in Heaven, it hardly seems an unreasonable sacrifice.

Every human has their own temptations, and for us all they are numerous and powerful forces in our lives, but must be resisted and controlled by the individual.

 

[ClockworkSoldier]

He wants us to be at peace in this life and to not be afraid. No peace comes from surrendering to a passion - rather this is the source of all unhappiness. Peace comes from self-mastery, from denying yourself your selfish instincts, from raising yourself above the smog of the immediate and instinctive and insodoing glimpsing the divine

So. You're saying that homosexual people should resist their natural instincts (what they actually are, who they actually are) and forever be unaccepting of themselves, questioning their life in faith of god? Because it's what he wants them to do?

Never feeling love.

Never experiencing what it's like to be with another.

 

[0bs3n3]

Okay, so don't cheat on your wife after you've already married her. That's cool. Don't induce someone else to cheat. That doesn't say anything about sex before marriage and sex with contraceptives.

His point was that it isn't only homo's who have to resist their urges, I think.

 

[Iron]

Okay, so don't cheat on your wife after you've already married her. That's cool. Don't induce someone else to cheat. That doesn't say anything about sex before marriage and sex with contraceptives.

Shuddup. Christ extended this commandment by saying "Every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart". You cant deny that it points to the sacredness privacy of sex between a husband and wife. It's hilarious that you -a 'militant' athiest- think it's anywhere near your power to convince Christians otherwise.

Contraceptives are imported into the dignity of life and thou shall not kill. Obviously it's not as serious as murder, but it's a denial of life that constitutes a grave offence against it.

 

[Iron]

So. You're saying that homosexual people should resist their natural instincts (what they actually are, who they actually are) and forever be unaccepting of themselves, questioning their life in faith of god? Because it's what he wants them to do?

Never feeling love.

Never experiencing what it's like to be with another.

We are all called to resist our supposedly 'natural' instincts. The homo isnt under any stronger or weaker temptation than you or me. Take up your Cross and follow Christ.

They are called to the special love and nearness to God thru a chaste life. In this regard they are actually more blessed than the heterosexual, if they can only realise that God takes nothing from them but in the end gives them everything. It's called faith

 

[ClockworkSoldier]

We are all called to resist our supposedly 'natural' instincts. The homo isnt under any stronger or weaker temptation than you or me. Take up your Cross and follow Christ.

They are called to the special love and nearness to God thru a chaste life. In this regard they are actually more blessed than the heterosexual, if they can only realise that God takes nothing from them but in the end gives them everything. It's called faith

Apart from the fact that they'll most likely never be attracted to a female and therefore never love someone, never feel love, etc.

The temptation may be the same, but the consequences of suppressing them, for these people makes it worse as there is no outlet.

Is there worse punishment then hell? Yes, being denied something that every human craves sooner or later, and craves in a BIG way. Being denied self acceptance, being denied love...

Being denied joy.

 

[BlackDragon]

lol its funny how religious people think that things that occur in the natural world are wrong.

 

[Name_Taken]

Apart from the fact that they'll most likely never be attracted to a female and therefore never love someone, never feel love, etc.

The temptation may be the same, but the consequences of suppressing them, for these people makes it worse as there is no outlet.

Is there worse punishment then hell? Yes, being denied something that every human craves sooner or later, and craves in a BIG way. Being denied self acceptance, being denied love...

Being denied joy.

They can love God, and God loves back, always. Sex is not a requirement to love or be loved by another human either. Church communities are usually very supportive for people who struggle finding their faith or resisting temptation.

Heterosexuals also have to suppress their sinful temptations. Having sex outside of marriage is wrong. Committing adultery is wrong, etc. Homosexuality is only one sexual immoal that is committed by humans.

 

[Iron]

Apart from the fact that they'll most likely never be attracted to a female and therefore never love someone, never feel love, etc.

Is there worse punishment then hell? Yes, being denied something that every human craves sooner or later, and craves in a BIG way. Being denied self acceptance, being denied love...

Being denied joy.

Accepting Christ is the very opposite of a denial! It is a final and True acceptance of themselves as they really are! As they were always intended to be! Unchained from the spiritual prisons of this hostile world! Blessed freedom, glorious Truth!

It is wicked blasphemy to assert that hell is a preferable state to renouncing the powerful grip of evil in this fleeting life. Free your mind from the material and physical and unleash your soul to soar towards its heavenly home! There is true joy; there is the Love that you seek, the God that is Love in its very essence!

But as St Paul says, all men are called to chastity. If you can live without sex, then this is preferrable. If you cant, then that's fine, it's no sin and you should marry.
Obviously the homo gets rough treatment by not having this option, but Paul goes on to say that God will never give you over to a temptation beyond your capacity. Cast all your woes upon Him.

 

[BlackDragon]

Having sex outside of marriage is wrong.

This is crazy.

 

[Kwayera]

Shuddup. Christ extended this commandment by saying "Every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart". You cant deny that it points to the sacredness privacy of sex between a husband and wife. It's hilarious that you -a 'militant' athiest- think it's anywhere near your power to convince Christians otherwise.

Maybe he was just indicating that she may be married, and that looking at a married woman lustfully is the same thing as coveting, which is a sin?

Contraceptives are imported into the dignity of life and thou shall not kill. Obviously it's not as serious as murder, but it's a denial of life that constitutes a grave offence against it.

Chapter and verse

 

[Kwayera]

Having sex outside of marriage is wrong. .

Chapter and verse, my friend

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

Sex was meant to occur only between one man and one woman, within marriage, for the purpose of creating life. Any other "use" of it is a perversion.

Homosexuality is definately not the only perversion encouraged by todays society unfortunately (the most common being the use of contraception and sex outside of wedlock).

If you truly loved someone, sex is not required for the relationship to work, can't you see that?

All forms of sex outside that which was intended by God are selfish acts by humans, putting their own physical pleasure above their Creator's laws through the exploitation of a gift bestowed upon us, and thus is immoral and sinful.

Maybe god shouldn't have invented the "orgasm"

 

[ClockworkSoldier]

If you can live without sex, then this is preferrable. If you cant, then that's fine, it's no sin and you should marry.

So it would be more preferable for the human race to be bound by complete abstonance and simply die out?

Love in god is not the same as loving another. Loving god is to love an entity that you cannot see (don't give me 'everything you see is god'), something you cannot touch, something you can talk at but not recieve verbal communication back.

= Lonelyness.

 

[Iron]

Maybe he was just indicating that she may be married, and that looking at a married woman lustfully is the same thing as coveting, which is a sin?



Chapter and verse

All lusts are a sin. They distract us from God. Even the lust of a husband and wife can be sinful if it is not used for its purpose of bringing us in to God's joyful creation. In all that we do, God must stand at the apex.

+ffs, IN BRIEF

1659 St. Paul said: "Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the Church. . . . This is a great mystery, and I mean in reference to Christ and the Church" (Eph 5:25, 32).

1660 The marriage covenant, by which a man and a woman form with each other an intimate communion of life and love, has been founded and endowed with its own special laws by the Creator. By its very nature it is ordered to the good of the couple, as well as to the generation and education of children. Christ the Lord raised marriage between the baptized to the dignity of a sacrament (cf. CIC, can. 1055 # 1; cf. GS 48 # 1).

1661 The sacrament of Matrimony signifies the union of Christ and the Church. It gives spouses the grace to love each other with the love with which Christ has loved his Church; the grace of the sacrament thus perfects the human love of the spouses, strengthens their indissoluble unity, and sanctifies them on the way to eternal life (cf. Council of Trent: DS 1799).

1662 Marriage is based on the consent of the contracting parties, that is, on their will to give themselves, each to the other, mutually and definitively, in order to live a covenant of faithful and fruitful love.

1663 Since marriage establishes the couple in a public state of life in the Church, it is fitting that its celebration be public, in the framework of a liturgical celebration, before the priest (or a witness authorized by the Church), the witnesses, and the assembly of the faithful.

1664 Unity, indissolubility, and openness to fertility are essential to marriage. Polygamy is incompatible with the unity of marriage; divorce separates what God has joined together; the refusal of fertility turns married life away from its "supreme gift," the child (GS 50 # 1).

1665 The remarriage of persons divorced from a living, lawful spouse contravenes the plan and law of God as taught by Christ. They are not separated from the Church, but they cannot receive Eucharistic communion. They will lead Christian lives especially by educating their children in the faith.

1666 The Christian home is the place where children receive the first proclamation of the faith. For this reason the family home is rightly called "the domestic church," a community of grace and prayer, a school of human virtues and of Christian charity.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

So all of that says basically have lots of sex, multiply, and don't have sex with your relatives and your dog. Where are the bits that say it's bad to have sex with more than one person, before marriage/out of marriage, and with contraception?

Ah! Wait! it's all open to interpretation

God must be pretty pissed at china with the one child policy thing going on.

@ China: DIDN'T YOU HEAR GOD!?!?! HE SAID MULTIPLY DAMMIT!

 

[BlackDragon]

Please stop preaching theology and tell me why I should believe it.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

They can love God, and God loves back, always. Sex is not a requirement to love or be loved by another human either. Church communities are usually very supportive for people who struggle finding their faith or resisting temptation.

Heterosexuals also have to suppress their sinful temptations. Having sex outside of marriage is wrong. Committing adultery is wrong, etc. Homosexuality is only one sexual immoal that is committed by humans.

WTF is making love then?