Islam group urges forest fire jihad (3 Viewers)

[Kwayera]

AUSTRALIA has been singled out as a target for "forest jihad" by a group of Islamic extremists urging Muslims to deliberately light bushfires as a weapon of terror.

US intelligence channels earlier this year identified a website calling on Muslims in Australia, the US, Europe and Russia to "start forest fires", claiming "scholars have justified chopping down and burning the infidels' forests when they do the same to our lands".

The website, posted by a group called the Al-Ikhlas Islamic Network, argues in Arabic that lighting fires is an effective form of terrorism justified in Islamic law under the "eye for an eye" doctrine.

The posting — which instructs jihadis to remember "forest jihad" in summer months — says fires cause economic damage and pollution, tie up security agencies and can take months to extinguish so that "this terror will haunt them for an extended period of time".

"Imagine if, after all the losses caused by such an event, a jihadist organisation were to claim responsibility for the forest fires," the website says. "You can hardly begin to imagine the level of fear that would take hold of people in the United States, in Europe, in Russia and in Australia."

With the nation heading into another hot, dry summer, Australian intelligence agencies are treating the possibility that bushfires could be used as a weapon of terrorism as a serious concern.

Attorney-General Robert McClelland said the Federal Government remained "vigilant against such threats", warning that anyone caught lighting a fire as a weapon of terror would feel the wrath of anti-terror laws.

"Any information that suggests a threat to Australia's interests is investigated by relevant agencies as appropriate," Mr McClelland said.

Adam Dolnik, director of research at the University of Wollongong's Centre for Transnational Crime Prevention, said that bushfires (unlike suicide bombing) were generally not considered a glorious type of attack by jihadis, in keeping with a recent decline in the sophistication of terrorist operations.

"With attacks like bushfires, yes, it would be easy. It would be very damaging and we do see a decreasing sophistication as a part of terrorist attacks," Dr Dolnik said.

"In recent years, there have been quite a few attacks averted and it has become more and more difficult for groups to do something effective."

Dr Dolnik said he had observed an increase in traffic on jihadi websites calling for a simplification of terrorist attacks because the more complex operations had been failing. But starting bushfires was still often regarded as less effective than other operations because governments could easily deny terrorism as the cause.

The internet posting by the little-known group claimed the idea of forest fires had been attributed to imprisoned Al Qaeda leader Abu Musab Al-Suri. It said Al-Suri had urged terrorists to use sulphuric acid and petrol to start forest fires.

Ah, The Age. Still, given what's happening in Victoria, it's a little worrying.

 

[Trefoil]

I was actually waiting for this to happen.

 

[blue_chameleon]

I was actually waiting for this to happen.

Gosh. What creative minds those Islamic extremists have.

EDIT: This does actually worry me a little, given there's a certain extent to which you can control firebugs. Moving to inner city CBD.

 

[RogueAcademic]

Human stupidity knows no bounds.

 

[chicky_pie]

Human stupidity knows no bounds.

*religion.

 

[RogueAcademic]

*religion.

I don't think religion is to blame because it's still human stupidity that distorts the religious principles beyond recognition.

Buddha himself said that his teachings will only be relevant for seven generations before subsequent generations will twist and distort his teachings into something unrecognisable.

 

[greekgun]

I don't think religion is to blame because it's still human stupidity that distorts the religious principles beyond recognition.

Buddha himself said that his teachings will only be relevant for seven generations before subsequent generations will twist and distort his teachings into something unrecognisable.

No, it's religion. Religion is one of the biggest factors which splits up man kind and encourages discrimination and sometimes even hate between fellow humans.

 

[JaredR]

It's extremists sects within particular religions.

Then again you have radical atheists who assault, rape and murder.

Stupid atheism...or is it better to say stupid human stupidity?

Point: one can find a link to religion in just about everything. Religion is not always to blame.

 

[katie tully]

You know who else is a terrorist?

Kochie. Kochie with that fucking hat he wears.

 

[RogueAcademic]

No, it's religion. Religion is one of the biggest factors which splits up man kind and encourages discrimination and sometimes even hate between fellow humans.

Christianity says thou shalt not kill, but the stupid Christians did anyway, for generations. In that context, it isn't the religion, it's the incredibly stupid and hypocrite humans.

 

[JaredR]

I cite logic. How many millions of people around the world are self-professed atheists? I'm sure that of these many millions there would be at least one who has raped someone. Stupid, I know - but then so is blaiming religion for all the world's tragedies.

I agree with your first point: they are committed in the name of Islam and even so mainstream Islam does little to discredit these small sects of radicals and exremists.

 

[Serius]

well thats where your logic fails. atheists make up about 2.3% of the population which is about 66.6 million people which means about 6.6 billion people are religious. That means that just in pure numbers of rape and murder, religious people commit far more crime than atheists.

I would also say that [without any evidence at all] atheists are much more likely to be peaceful, law abiding people who do not murder and rape.

Also only a very very tiny amount of atheists would kill and rape in the "name" of atheism [ almost all of whom would be insane] where as a large amount of religious people who rape and murder do it in the name of their chosen religion.


you basically shot yourself in the foot, sure there may be some atheists who rape and murder, but compared to the crimes of religion they are merely pissing into an ocean of piss

 

[moll.]

Christianity says thou shalt not kill, but the stupid Christians did anyway, for generations. In that context, it isn't the religion, it's the incredibly stupid and hypocrite humans.

Christianity also compels it's followers to convert the populace by the book or, if they don't listen, by the sword.

And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

When you have a book with this many contradictions, there is a fundemental flaw in the religion based upon this work.

 

[RogueAcademic]

Christianity also compels it's followers to convert the populace by the book or, if they don't listen, by the sword.

It's not one of the commandments, and it doesn't take a genius to understanding that the teachings of Jesus doesn't require His followers to go out and convert people by the sword. It's only the incredibly stupid people who can't understand that, or they take the bible too literally, or they only choose to look at what they want to see in the bible and then they take it to the extreme. But when it comes down to it, the commandments lay it out very clear, as well as the teachings of Jesus.

 

[moll.]

It's not one of the commandments, and it doesn't take a genius to understanding that the teachings of Jesus doesn't require His followers to go out and convert people by the sword. It's only the incredibly stupid people who can't understand that, or they take the bible too literally, or they only choose to look at what they want to see in the bible and then they take it to the extreme. But when it comes down to it, the commandments lay it out very clear, as well as the teachings of Jesus.

The teachings of Jesus?! The entire New Testament is devoted to his teachings, which is also where I got the above verse. According to the accounts of him given in the Gospels, Jesus was a cynical, maniacal, heartless fiend who used his self-appointed title of Son of God as wished.
Besides which, no one verse in the Bible can claim to be of more prevelence than any other from simple logic of how to determine such a claim. Also, your own God tells you not to ignore any of his words and to take them literally, which creates a problem for your liberalist version of Christianity:

Whatever I am now commanding you, you must keep and observe, adding nothing to it, taking nothing away.

 

[Slidey]

According to the accounts of him given in the Gospels, Jesus was a cynical, maniacal, heartless fiend

You don't really sound like you've read the Gospels tbh, because the only time he was particularly 'fiendish' was when he made a flail and went and beat up the merchants and gamblers occupying a temple.

 

[RogueAcademic]

Jesus was a cynical, maniacal, heartless fiend who used his self-appointed title of Son of God as wished.

Where does it say that?

This is starting to look like the kind of interpretation of Jesus' teachings that lead to the kind of stupidity we see today.....

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

LIGHTING BUSHFIRES IS TERRORISM! LOCK EM IN GUANTANAMO

This is fucking absurd. No it's not terrorism. Terrorism has a very strict definition. Lumping any and all dangerous things into a new, broad, undefined term of "terrorism" doesn't help anyone. What's next? Stealing motor vehicles is terrorism? Robbing people on the streets is terrorism? Fuck off this is ludicrous.

 

[wrxsti]

It cant be called Jihad if it is the killing of innocent human beings, that's something that BOS members have yet to understand and acknowledge.

 

[withoutaface]

It cant be called Jihad if it is the killing of innocent human beings, that's something that BOS members have yet to understand and acknowledge.

Mrrrr hrrr hrrr brrr

Neg repped.